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Samsung
Posts: 3141
Phone Model:
Motorola RAZR2 V8 |
 
Tue Jun 21, 2005 3:16 pm |
| jdwme wrote: | | cdma phones do not have an imei, they use only an esn which has fewer digits than an imei, that's why cdma carriers are about to have a "y2k" similar problem. Cloning was easy on the old analog system as you could take parts your found at your local radioshak andbuild a device that would capture the phones "unique" signature and program it onto antoher phone. digital cloning is a little more dificult. Most likely the guy is doing it from a phone hooked up to a computer and a device that allows him to scan for esn's or he has a random esn generator on his computer. Are all the numbers from your area? |
Actually in my experience the ESN is the same length as the IMEI 15 digits.
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x3x
Posts: 13
Phone Model:
Nokia 6315i
Service Provider:
Verizon |
Tue Jun 21, 2005 9:21 pm |
| jdwme wrote: | | cdma phones do not have an imei, they use only an esn which has fewer digits than an imei, that's why cdma carriers are about to have a "y2k" similar problem. Cloning was easy on the old analog system as you could take parts your found at your local radioshak andbuild a device that would capture the phones "unique" signature and program it onto antoher phone. digital cloning is a little more dificult. Most likely the guy is doing it from a phone hooked up to a computer and a device that allows him to scan for esn's or he has a random esn generator on his computer. Are all the numbers from your area? |
Not at all...
Here´s the thing: This "clonner" guy receive a list from the "dealer" (the head of the bussiness), and this list contains randons numbers that he can use for clonning.
Those numbers are around the area where the head is, or were, in moments ago. When the guy take the numbers, he starts the clonning stuff.
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jdwme
Posts: 150
Phone Model:
G1
Service Provider:
T-Mobile |
Wed Jun 22, 2005 1:07 am |
| xXxSamsungxXx wrote: | | jdwme wrote: | | cdma phones do not have an imei, they use only an esn which has fewer digits than an imei, that's why cdma carriers are about to have a "y2k" similar problem. Cloning was easy on the old analog system as you could take parts your found at your local radioshak andbuild a device that would capture the phones "unique" signature and program it onto antoher phone. digital cloning is a little more dificult. Most likely the guy is doing it from a phone hooked up to a computer and a device that allows him to scan for esn's or he has a random esn generator on his computer. Are all the numbers from your area? |
Actually in my experience the ESN is the same length as the IMEI 15 digits. |
wait i said it wrong, an imei is 15 digits, doh!
ESN's are about half as long as imei's
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jdwme
Posts: 150
Phone Model:
G1
Service Provider:
T-Mobile |
Wed Jun 22, 2005 1:07 am |
here's an intersting article about esn's and their "short comings"
http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/meid/index.php?p=p1
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jdwme
Posts: 150
Phone Model:
G1
Service Provider:
T-Mobile |
Wed Jun 22, 2005 1:10 am |
an article from clark howard.com
Phone cloning is back A crime that was rampant about eight years ago is back on the radar screen. "Cell phone cloning" is back, according to the Chicago Tribune. Here's the way it works: A black box seizes the wavelengths from your cell phone out of thin air. Then it uses that information and clones your phone into a new cell phone that appears to the telephone network as if it's your phone. Then the criminals sell that phone to someone or they use it to make calls all over the world on your dime. Cell phone cloning went away when phones moved from analog to digital. Now, the crooks have figured out how to tap into digital phones. The result is that without you knowing it, a twin of your phone may exist out there. It's only about one-eighth as big as it was at it's peak, but crimes are raising. So, always review your phone bill, especially if your phone bill is paid by your company. If you notice charges that aren't yours, notify you cell phone company immediately. One advantage most cell phones have is that they don't allow international calls. So, make sure that option is not available.
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Samsung
Posts: 3141
Phone Model:
Motorola RAZR2 V8 |
Wed Jun 22, 2005 4:21 am |
ESN and IMEI are the same length lol  I look at them everyday and no x3x im not a "dealer" 
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veilfore89
Posts: 1396
Phone Model:
Motorola Q9h(GSM), V551(GSM), T720i(GSM), T720g(GSM)(DEAD
), T730(CDMA), Samsung x427m(GSM), Siemens A56i(GSM), E-815(CDMA)
Service Provider:
AT&T Wireless |
Wed Jun 22, 2005 7:16 pm |
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There are many ways for hackers to possibly steal things from you, even using your cell phone is unsafe these days....cloning just bugs me...
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mabashab
Posts: 2 |
Thu Jun 23, 2005 4:29 am |
Guys,
The problem is spread all over the globe.Customers in India, Korea, Russia, China, Brazil and many other countries suffer from cloning.
There are a few ways to get the ESN/MIN combination and even the A-Key.
There are service center personel who sell these numbers and there are unofficial technician that offer cheap upgrades and copy your numbers.
It is so easy. Anyone with a PC+Data Cable+Software can copy a CDMA mobile phone.
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V1rg0
Posts: 1 |
Sat Dec 03, 2005 6:19 am |
Yes this last response was one of the few that made since.... CDMA phones only have a esn number while GSM phones use sim cards ...GSM phones have a IMEI.... You would have to flash the hardware (firmware) and have the correct command functions to reprogram a ESN number into a phone... I have heard that with other older phones you wouldnt need to physically connect the device to flash it...it can be done by entering programming codes into the phone... this goes along with the abilty to do much more then acctually clone an ESN number... you could potentially TAP other cell phones this way...the possibilites are almost endless! 
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griimm
Posts: 1
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Nokia E70-2 |
Mon Jun 11, 2007 1:52 pm |
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Just to add.GSM SIM cloning is restricted to V1 SIM cards. I do not believe V2 SIM cards can be copied or cloned. Unless someone else has heard otherwise.
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