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recmaster
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Fri May 05, 2006 10:21 pm |
Hello. New here.
Just wondering what resident experts predict: How long before technology reaches the point where 24/7 personal monitoring becomes feasible in the cell phone? “24/7 Personal Monitoring” might be the name for constant HQ video recording (from the cell). When battery and chip/memory technology develop a bit more, this feature will be nearly as valuable/practical as the phone itself. No more forgetting/mistaking what was said/done. No more note-taking at meetings, etc. Initially, the video will probably be stored on a memory card, but later it might be uploaded to your home or any remote location. Imagine your every phone call and every conversation would be automatically recorded and only referred to if needed. No need for daily erasing/deleting; storage capacity would a year’s worth. I’m not interested in discussing legal/ethical considerations – I’m only interested in hearing predictions from you fine folks on how far away the technology is.
Manufacturers: are you listening?? Get on the ball and be the first – everyone will want one! Personal monitoring will change society as much as the cell phone did, or more.
I guess I need to cross-post this to the other brands forums. Is that allowed?
Thanks,
mark
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cableguynoe
Posts: 36
Phone Model:
lg vx8100
Service Provider:
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Mon May 08, 2006 1:39 am |
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*bump*
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steva11
Posts: 1687
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w810i/pearl
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Mon May 08, 2006 1:45 pm |
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I believe the actual technology is here.
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recmaster
Posts: 5 |
Mon May 08, 2006 8:28 pm |
Steva11,
I would be interested in learning more about the existence of:
1. ) Cell batteries that would last long enough to be in constant “call”/ “record” mode for at least 24 hrs (but preferable all week);
2. ) Cell digital recorders with enough pixels and fidelity and memory to hold at least 24 hrs of HQ video and audio (NOT the horrible quality of “standard” mode);
3. ) OR: Instant & fast transmission (constant “call” mode, or frequent uploading) of ALL the HQ video and audio to a remote pc for safekeeping/storage;
4. ) Default recording of everything all day, including all calls, all nearby conversations, and all two-way/walkie-talkie communications – at the same time.
2nd question:
If this technology is already available, why is it not yet in a cell phone?
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steva11
Posts: 1687
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w810i/pearl
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Mon May 08, 2006 9:09 pm |
| Quote: | Researchers at the University of Rochester, led by Professor Hui Wu, have developed a chip for cell phones which uses dramatically less power than current chips. More efficient batteries have received all sorts of attention and efforts recently, but this chip could have an even bigger impact. The new chip uses just 10% of the power that current phones do.
It works like this; phones and other devices have to be on at all times so that they are ready to recognize and receive signals on the specific frequencies that they are designed to receive. To do this, they have a very accurate clock, which is generated by a circuit called phase-locked loop. When a phone is on standby it is that circuit that is killing your battery. Wu and his band of fearless scientists have created a different circuit, called injection locked frequency divider, or ILFD, which uses much less power to accomplish the same thing.
With the Hui Wu chip, it would theoretically be possible to achieve cellphone standby times of 2 months or more. |
| Quote: | Truphone, a telecom company out of the U.K. that is announcing a low-cost mobile network that allows users to seamlessly transfer between cellular and Wi-Fi networks. You can take and make calls and get and send SMS messages using VoIP technology exclusively; as a benefit, when you drift out of wireless range, the phone technology finds the proper cellular network.
Truphone, an offering from the Software Cellular Network, has based its technology on the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP), which is fast becoming an industry standard among Internet providers. The SIP-based service is compatible with all manner of wireless options, including home-based networks, office networks, and public Wi-Fi hotspots. Truphone's service was tested initially on Nokia's new E-series handsets |
with a wifi/cell phone, could it not be possible to upload data to a server? there's probably a lot more technology leaps than we actually know about.
why it wouldn't be available in phones:
1. it would make them too big at this point
2. people do not have a use for it/it owuld have no market.
3. people would not understand it
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recmaster
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Mon May 08, 2006 9:44 pm |
Thanks.
But…
Longer standby times would not help. Longer operation times are needed. No two ways about it: longer-lasting batteries are desperately needed.
Part of the technology includes being sized for cell-phones. If the technology is there, but it’s not small enough, it’s not there.
I differ. People would jump on these Personal Monitoring phones like monkeys on a trampoline, or like they did on any other information storage device (paper, pencils, calculators, cassette recorders, VCRs, camcorders, computers, etc). Let me re-word: “YOUR LIFE, all of it, in transcript / home-movie form!” The better question is: why would people NOT go for it (were it inexpensive and small enough)? How many times have you thought: “I wish I would have got that on tape!” People not owning up to what they said (to you) is a popular disease of epidemic proportions these days – I should not have to tell anyone that. Solution? Personal Monitoring. As far as other uses, the sky is the limit. Too numerous to count. New technological breakthroughs tend to find/create their own unforeseen solutions. I can’t wait til it arrives.
As far as understanding it, simplicity of operation would be part of the technology. I’m thinking an “on” / “off” switch. As far as people understanding recording and videoing, I don’t think there’s a problem.
-Mark
PS: should I pose/post this on the other manufacturer forums?
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cableguynoe
Posts: 36
Phone Model:
lg vx8100
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Verizon |
Mon May 08, 2006 9:47 pm |
the feds have tiny wireless transmiters they put in their undercover officers and everything is recorded ....
Can thet be put in a cell phone? sure...
will it?...nope....
My cell phone has the ability to record my conversations but when i start recording the othe person on the line hears a beep every 10 seconds. They do this so the person knows they are being recorded. Otherwise it's illegal...
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steva11
Posts: 1687
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w810i/pearl
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Rogers |
Mon May 08, 2006 10:04 pm |
i'm sure most people would not want to sort through the data. just seems like a bother.
in north america why don't we have integrated wifi/cell phone with 10 megapixel cameras or 8 gig hard drives. they do exist...the market's not there for a high end phone like that.
and i agree. i'm sure the feds have some crazy tech that we don't know about 
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recmaster
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Tue May 09, 2006 1:58 am |
steva11 and cableguynoe,
I can’t tell if you are saying that you would not want such a phone, that others would not want it, that it would be too complicated, or that it would and/or should be illegal. Or maybe your position is that only the Feds should be allowed to legally possess such a “dangerous weapon”. Or that people would want it, but "would not want to sort through the data" – I guess that explains why camcorders or personal computers never really took off. Ok, uh huh, I see. Are you kidding?? People spend more time than ever sorting through their data – and love it! Don’t believe their complaints about “too many emails” (unless you see them permanently getting rid of their computers – I don’t see that happening, anywhere).
Do you actually think that if a tiny camcorder with ultimate capacity & quality were to be incorporated into a user-friendly cell phone for a reasonable price, that there would be no market for it?? You apparently think very differently than I. Are you businesspeople? Or maybe you are too used to the lousy functionality of cell phones and figure this would just be another high-tech nightmare. If so, you are not listening. By “the technology”, I mean good functional practical user-friendly technology.
I said I did not want to discuss ethical/legal issues, but I knew better so here goes. Your viewpoint here is analogous to the fear of all previous generations of high-end recording technology that was originally perceived as a threat to the people, the govt and the recording industry. Of course that didn’t generally transpire, OR stop people from BUYING the gadgets. The laws about most trivial things like this are a confusing mess, vary from state to state, and have more to do with civil law and admissibility than criminality. Most of what you hear about audio recording of phone calls, and what the manufacturers think they know (and have to include in their machines), are myths/pseudo-law.
(*“pseudo-law”: a direct result of the fear generated from an over-regulated society where even the regulators can not understand the law and most feel they have no choice but to “just play it safe”.)
If we really don’t want better technology and more convenience, we probably won’t get it; but I don’t believe the premise. Everyone wants better tools. Beware of the consequences of technophobia!
-Mark
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steva11
Posts: 1687
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w810i/pearl
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Tue May 09, 2006 12:45 pm |
I have no idea what you're going on about. I never mentioned legality, and i'm certainly not a technophobe. forget the legal stuff, since i don't care about that.
I posed the question about the end end camera/music phones, which you did not address, because the majority of people are not interested, or used that type of technology. if there was a market, it would be here; which it will be in time, as the majority of people adapt to current technologies.
PC's and camcorders are a far reach at an example as they are completely different than at continuious data stream. with those, people record what they want, when they want, and store data at thier discretion.
this whole topic is pretty much bunk, along with both of our rants.
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