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MurphyLaw
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Tue Sep 01, 2009 3:09 pm 
I found this online from October 2008. I found that said Sprint's 4G network pumped out a speed of 4.4Mbit/Sec while AT&T could only muster 1.7Mbit/Sec. Now I ask you to think logically, that was a report from October does anyone actually think Sprint/Nextel will remain on top? Will they ever be on top? AT&T is launching 7.2Mbps nationwide by 2011 (if my memory serves me correctly). That's what I had to say, now it's your turn. Please keep it on topic, it's a discussion not a fight. State your opinion then back it up with facts.

For those of you that care I posted something on Sprint's "4G Netowrk" below.


With most American mobile data networks busy trying to deliver third-generation (3G) mobile wireless access to traveling businesspeople, Sprint's newly launched Xohm service takes a giant step forward by offering America's first 4G system.

Based on WiMax technology, it can deliver broadband data speeds to notebooks, Internet tablets and eventually smartphones. But at the moment, there aren't many devices to connect with, the network is struggling with reliability issues, and the high-speed service is limited to just one city -- Baltimore.

WiMax (Worldwide Interoperability for Microwave Access) is a wireless data system based on Orthogonal Frequency-Division Multiple Access (OFDMA) technology and the IEEE's 802.16e spec. That's a lot to swallow, but Xohm's basic facts are that it broadcasts on the 2.5-GHz portion of the radio frequency spectrum, a slightly higher frequency than the 2.4 GHz that the 802.11b/g/n standards, commonly used in Wi-Fi networks, operate on.

Because it has a longer range and can deliver higher data rates than 3G services, WiMax has the power to transform the way we think of wireless data delivery. Think about receiving the equivalent of a home DSL or cable broadband connection while you're mobile, and you get an idea of its potential to put data everywhere you'll be. In other words, WiMax can turn a city into a hot spot for wireless data.

"WiMax is Wi-Fi's big sister," says Sean Maloney, Intel's executive vice president. "It will have a big impact on mobility by covering a larger area. The future is here, now."

In the lab, WiMax can deliver a peak data speed of 40Mbit/sec. But in the real world, speed depends on things like how far you are from a transmitting tower, how many others are using the network and the general health of the Internet. Expect to see download speeds between 3Mbit/sec. and 5Mbit/sec., or about three times what the current 3G networks from AT&T, Sprint and Verizon can deliver.

The technology first went commercial in South Korea in 2006 under the name WiBro. Available in 407 locations in 133 countries, according to the WiMax Forum, the wireless system is prominently used in South Korea, Italy, Taiwan, Brazil and Japan every day for a variety of uses.
Enter Xohm

To see just what WiMax is, how it works and what it's actually capable of, I went to Baltimore, the first U.S. city to offer WiMax service commercially, to try it out. Called Xohm, the new network is a joint venture of Sprint and Clearwire.

So far, Xohm has spent about $3.2 billion to develop, test and roll out WiMax in a few places, according to Sprint CEO Dan Hesse. "It's just the start. Another $5 billion will be required to create a national network," he explains. Google, Intel and several cable companies have invested an additional $3 billion in the project.

What can you expect from the Xohm network? First of all, its deployment is obviously very limited at this point. It's as if you wanted to call to order a pizza a month after Alexander Graham Bell's first phone call. There just aren't enough places in which to use it.

Baltimore has 180 WiMax towers in use, out of an expected total of 300 when the deployment is complete. "We have coverage of 70% of the city," explains Bin Shen, Xohm's vice president of product and partnership management.
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parkernathan
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Tue Sep 01, 2009 5:26 pm 
Interesting article. I'll state again over here that Wi-Net (5G) will clearly beat WiMAX, and it will even surpass LTE. In fact, if AT&T wanted to get ahead of the game, they'd forget about LTE and WiMAX and go straight for Wi-Net. Then they'd have something 100 times faster than 4G and be able to roll it out faster than they can even roll out 3G HSDPA 7.

While I can't give all of Wi-Net's secrets away since I can't spoil a keynote surprise, I can say a few general comments about how Wi-Net surpasses WiMAX.

First of all, it's faster, MUCH FASTER. How fast? I can't say that until keynote day.

Second of all, it's much simpler to implement. It will actually require very little upgrading of the infrastructure to go live. Wi-Net could probably be rolled out coast-to-coast almost overnight.

Lastly, Wi-Net also works as the successor to home networking. It'll also be branded as a replacement to traditional Internet in the home, as well as Wi-Fi. In fact, we originally designed it as the successor to Wi-Fi and home networking. We just opted in for the mobile additions since it would turbocharge our market share.

I can't say more since I have to keep some things a secret, but here's a few more links to wheaten your appetite:

http://bit.ly/uNvCD
http://bit.ly/lhNI3

Personally, I think Sprint's WiMAX 4G just doesn't stand a chance since I know what's coming. We've even got something that will make Verizon's MiFi look like a toy.
IOWA
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Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:47 am 
parkernathan wrote:
Interesting article. I'll state again over here that Wi-Net (5G) will clearly beat WiMAX, and it will even surpass LTE. In fact, if AT&T wanted to get ahead of the game, they'd forget about LTE and WiMAX and go straight for Wi-Net. Then they'd have something 100 times faster than 4G and be able to roll it out faster than they can even roll out 3G HSDPA 7.

While I can't give all of Wi-Net's secrets away since I can't spoil a keynote surprise, I can say a few general comments about how Wi-Net surpasses WiMAX.

First of all, it's faster, MUCH FASTER. How fast? I can't say that until keynote day.

Second of all, it's much simpler to implement. It will actually require very little upgrading of the infrastructure to go live. Wi-Net could probably be rolled out coast-to-coast almost overnight.

Lastly, Wi-Net also works as the successor to home networking. It'll also be branded as a replacement to traditional Internet in the home, as well as Wi-Fi. In fact, we originally designed it as the successor to Wi-Fi and home networking. We just opted in for the mobile additions since it would turbocharge our market share.

I can't say more since I have to keep some things a secret, but here's a few more links to wheaten your appetite:

http://bit.ly/uNvCD
http://bit.ly/lhNI3

Personally, I think Sprint's WiMAX 4G just doesn't stand a chance since I know what's coming. We've even got something that will make Verizon's MiFi look like a toy.


You talk a big talk, and maybe it's true. Mind backing it with some more technical Specs? And to the mis-informed person at the top, check your history and FACTS, not Gossip and Inuendo passed along teenagers and media, Sprint has led the United States HANDS DOWN when it comes to Mobile Data Delivery.
IOWA
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Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:52 am 
After a quick check on the FCC website they have nothing listed on Wi-Net. Mind sharing the FCC file/case number?

I also found this

http://www.mallardcomputer.com/Mallard_Computer/About.html

I'm assuming that's yours, if you are going to market this product heavily, you might want to hire a professional Web Designer. I can recognize a template anywhere. So can other designers. Not flaming you, just advice.

Also you CANNOT patent/trade mark "5G"

It is an acronym, I hope you know what it stands for.

That would be like AOL trying to Patent "lol"

Also, Technically, WiMax is the Successor to WiFi.

MurphyLaw
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Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:29 pm 
IOWA,

Good for you. Smart man, and I am being scarstic.

parkernathan
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Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:31 pm 
Hey Murphy,

Didn't you mean this for the other discussion thread? That's where he placed those comments.

It's confusing for us to look at two different threads, I know.

parkernathan
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Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:43 pm 
IOWA,

As for technical specs, I can't leak out too much of those now. I have be careful how I approach product announcements until a keynote. We have to keep some things tight-lipped.

The FCC proceeding we filed under was 09-51. Check there for our comments. We did file a while ago. I'll look and see if our comment has been posted. We also reviewed (not filed) in another proceeding where I head to read a 300 page report before submitting the patent specs. Unfortunately, I can't give this proceeding out since it will spill the beans.

I know our site needs updating. I have a professional web designer on standby I am willing to bring aboard as VP of Internet Services, but we're waiting for the patent to clear before we update the site. We're going to move the entire site in house onto our own servers, and we only want to do this once. So we're holding off. Plus, we're about to move the company 800 miles and don't wish to lug that kind of equipment up there.

Technically, we did trademark the term 5G, nor did we even include the term 5G in our patent specifications. I simply use the term 5G to (rather obliquely) describe our patent. You would need to search the USPTO TESS database for Wi-Net to find our trademark. The patent is not listed on the database yet and won't for some time (probably after marketing is completed).

Hope that clears up a bit.
IOWA
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Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:58 am 
When I get back to my pc ill be sure to look into it!
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